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| <Scott Cullen>
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Reply to post by Reed Holt, on June 04, 2000 at 10:40:07:
Fascinating stuff. Russ posted a link some months ago to an article that does seem to touch on some of the mechanisms you describe. http://www.newscientist.com/features/features.jsp?id=ns22265 |
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| <Dennis Brown>
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Reply to post by Scott Cullen, on June 04, 2000 at 10:40:07:
I have to chime in here. I feel the need to offer some balance to Reed's comments. I know of Reed and his work. I wish I could say I was impressed. Work with salicylic acid is not new. Several companies have been looking at its activity among lower order fungi. There is a distinct difference in that activity and activity against a vascular wilt disease.SAR is nothing new. I have made overtures to Reed in the past years to review his work and successes for free. In that I am a non-partial party with no interest in anything but success, I would be able to give objective observations. Thus far those offers have been rebuffed. If he has some obvious results, he is keeping them behind closed doors, except for here. Reed appears to have some significant paranoias about. Some of those might be well founded, but he does tend to paint things with a broad brush. He apparently considers me one of "them" as I have dared questioned his output in several forums. A couple of years ago I went to Reed's area, at invitation, along with other invited guest. At that time Reed was touting a product for sell that was an organic treatment for oak wilt. He presented something he refered to as a research paper which was little more than a testimonial and advertisement. He included a letter from a Phd.plant pathologist who we later found to have dubious credentials. We were shown various trees in areas of oak wilt and told they were successes. The trees were indeed healthy, but there was no evidence that they were ever diseased or challenged. To say the least, I was unimpressed with what I witnessed. When queried about verification he alluded to some vague results he found on his own. He is right in saying that none of the "research" he has carried out was done under the guise of conventional plant pathology protocol. If I were to observe, I would require positive (or as close as possible) identification of the disease, monitor treatment protocol, and monitor post-treatment. I would have to see repeated results in seperate non-contiguous plots. I would like nothing better than to have a product emerge that would do what he suggest. I am a supporter only of results, not chemicals. We have a serious problem with oak wilt. It would make you arborist in the mid-west blush at the devestation is causes here. It is obviously a very emotional and economic issue. In such environments, people will reach out for any and every thing. I try to give them all the tools to make good decisions for oak wilt management. |
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| <Reed Holt>
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Reply to post by Dennis Brown, on June 06, 2000 at 19:28:39:
But Dennis, I'm not selling ANYTHING!!! If you investigate better - I'm the one who turned-in Nigel for false credentials - the only one. UC Riverside is working with me on this. The verification of the sick motts I demonstrated was done by plant path at A&M - now eight years ago. You seem to want to believe them, so there. Also - you will notice that in Texas I'm no longer a commercial enterprize - I gave the company away my friend - I make no money on wilt - like the cancer work I have always done - no money my friend - no prejudice then. If you claim intolerance to chemical uses - why do you then advocate it? If you distrust the labs - why suggest trenching as tested and reported falsely on? The commercial product ELMGuard, University of Toronto, is a modified avirulence gene that triggers manufacture and distribution of antibodies systemically - hardly a new science but yet again, your position on what the pathologists maintain here in Texas is that tree's have no immune system. If you do not recognize this, you should find work elsewhere. It's like a surgeon claiming there is no heart or lungs in our bodies. There is a reason my northern friends - why the epidemic has been more destructive in Texas - the information sources here and the sick methods for remedy advocated by A&M University. Too arrogant to even review data from other states - but not too proud to receive research grants from the giant Novartis corporation. Support common sense approaches to disease control Dennis - quit fighting this. Reed Holt - close to indigent but still proud! |
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| <Dennis Brown>
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Reply to post by Reed Holt, on June 07, 2000 at 11:48:19:
I am not going to take up much more space in responding to Reed's comments, as much as I would like to. I will say that Reed's denouncement of Nigel Greck came only after my own investigation revealed suspicions of his credentials. This was when Reed was using him as a support member of his treatment program and quoted him extensively. Reed only got the pang of suspicion after Mr. Grech started working with a competitor on a similar material. I doubt there are many who are actually interested in this dialogue between Mr. Holt and myself. I simply wanted to balance the scales a bit with real information after reading his post. However, if anyone would like more information on our oak wilt problem, and the players, feel free to contact me. Dennis Brown quercus@texas.net |
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| <Reed Holt>
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Reply to post by Dennis Brown, on June 07, 2000 at 15:57:10:
All I can say to that is: There are choices out there - choices not in finding the best available "product" for treatment, but choices as to how you treat your responsibility for this planet as a dweller and dependent of this planet. The easiest way to think about that is this - when you get a terminal diagnosis - you can do one of two things - do as they say you must, or find out what it takes to survive. Period. You make the choice, you have to live with it. If peer-reviewed data is mandatory for truth - might as well toss-out the bible and torch the churches Dennis. I myself prefer the natural order - which is neither of those. |
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